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me 10:04 AM Gavin: huge frustration over need for federating information
Ward: many many copies; sustainable data wiki
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Gavin Rogers 10:10 AM Jack: There is a need for a long-term data federation, in addition to the short-term federation concept
me
10:12 AM
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Gavin Rogers 10:13 AM Jack: A concept map is like a mind map, but with labels on the links between objects
me 10:16 AM jackpark@topicquests.org
Ward Cunningham 10:18 AM Good morning Paul. Thanks for the recent release.
me
10:18 AM
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Paul Rodwell 10:19 AM Hello Ward
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me 10:22 AM Gavin: relationships as multidimensional array (doubly-linked lists) Gavin: how to federate topics in federated wiki?
Gavin Rogers 10:27 AM Ward: Distributed systems in nature (genomes, folk music) have a natural force to cause order
me 10:27 AM
Ward: natural force to cause things to be similar: speciation (sp?); in fed wiki, imagine what it would be like with thousands of wikis; statistical events; happy accidents (related threads)
Ward: what could I build that has properties of natural system?
Ward: neighborhoods keeps dozen people around; could have dozens of neighborhood (transient)
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Ward: loose schema in fedwiki that can grow without centralized control (master ontology)
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Ward: storage of wiki data important -- ability to browse variety of information stores--mapping servers are one-way
me 10:37 AM Is there a way to inject tags into FW in order to "locally" wire it?
Ward: being json, there is content expected to make it work, but can add more stuff as needed; Adding a json element to a page is part of the situation, but making an object which then holds the appropriate links for each tag is another.
Each time a tag is recognized, it must be processed. Tags on paragraphs, in the Engelbart parlance, are called "purple numbers"
Eugene Kim created PurpleWiki as a wiki which automatically adds purple numbers to paragraphs.
Gavin Rogers 10:45 AM
Ward: Render the metadata in useful ways, so that there is incentive to add useful metadata (tags) example: separating large datasets from their visualization, makes it more useful and satisfying (this is already a feature)
me 10:48 AM
Ward: should first save got to a local, then must be moved to larger store?
Ward: issue of writing over someone else's version. Can say "local" or "origin" to keep them separate. Ted Nelson talks in terms of a "Virtual Document" where the actual view is just links into stores of whatever is desired to see. Ward" serve needs of javascript; serve needs of longterm store; policy in middle for decisions.
Ward: need to understand issues of network failure (write somewhere else)
Ward Cunningham
10:57 AM
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me
10:58 AM
Gavom" stm & ltm: project Discourse; clunky talk page doesn't protect from bad conversation: want to implement public neighborhood --concept of discussion (back to ltm vs stm)
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Ward: let's find intersection of FW and TQPortal
Ward Cunningham
11:05 AM
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