Digest 2014-11-12

<body>Welcome to the federated wiki hangout for November 11, 2014 On today's call <ul class="bullet"><li>Ward (in Oregon)</li><li>Per (in Finland)</li><li>David (in Toronto)</li><li>Paul (in the UK)</li></ul> David started talking about dissertation writing on Mashups <ul class="bullet"><li>QEDWiki</li></ul> IBM Damia had boxes and pipes Ward instead had an idea of pages coming into an address space <ul class="bullet"><li>Looking to the left, to pull data forward, and creating a left to right flow</li><li>Can hop over pages, but generally, the flow of information is left to right</li><li>Could do a lot with that</li><li>Choices:  could see as menu picking, but there's a dynamic model</li></ul> Original model is command line <ul class="bullet"><li>Pipeline programs</li><li>Interpreters</li></ul> Hope to have a strong end user community in federated wiki <ul class="bullet"><li>Mike Caulfield tends to write text</li><li>Michael Mahaffy, it's all about calculations</li></ul> Clay Shirky's article on situated software <a href="http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html">http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html</a> Ward's metabolic calculator <a href="http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator">http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator</a> <ul class="bullet"><li>Two parts:  data set, and Javascript program on metabolic calculator</li><li>Uppercase letters are commands</li><li>Connection is made in the browser</li></ul> Federated wiki more as platform, which has slowed growth <ul class="bullet"><li>In retrospect, had written principles for Splash</li></ul> Taoism and waiting for nature Competitive open standards? <ul class="bullet"><li>In early days, industry was making add-on disk drives, and IBM made the interface open</li><li>Strategic</li><li>Played over and over</li></ul> Microsoft opened up .NET today <ul class="bullet"><li>.NET is more open than Java, when Oracle is involved?</li></ul> David's next case is writing up OpenOffice through the IBM involvement to Apache Mike Caulfield is now writing a daily journal in federated wiki <a href="http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html">http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html</a> <ul class="bullet"><li>It's like a blog post that isn't finished:  he could use this content for later blog posts</li></ul> Code shift last week? <ul class="bullet"><li>Released the Express 4 version</li><li>Opens door for more work on the server</li></ul> In issues, suggestions of a lot of things to be done <ul class="bullet"><li>Testing server found client side bugs, too</li></ul> Some things disappeared, or we never really had it? <ul class="bullet"><li>Being able to revert to an earlier version of a page?  Can't remember if this worked on the node version, at least a year ago, probably was the Sinatra version</li></ul> Machinery is to take a whole page, and write it <ul class="bullet"><li>Was looking at this when it was in browser local storage, and wanted to fork it back onto host</li></ul> Local databases:  anything supported by HTML5 still has cross-browser issues <ul class="bullet"><li>Use Couchbase to sync in the background?</li><li>Then would have a shared local storage?</li></ul> If hosted by a farm, would expect to be able to move things across the farm <ul class="bullet"><li>Mike Caulfield is hosting a farm</li><li>Sign into a farm, and then have pages served at the farm level?</li></ul> Mechanism to do cross-origin reads, but haven't done cross-origin writes <ul class="bullet"><li>Log into any federated wiki, and then be able to move across origin sites</li><li>More "home" than "origin"</li><li>WebID and some data to associate self</li><li>If something in the wrong place, and it's not convenient to go from wrong to right place, could be nice to have a cache somewhere</li><li>Command line cp (!)</li></ul> Mike Caulfield has a friend hosting <ul class="bullet"><li>A version of federated wiki that checks every 10 minutes, and checks into Github</li><li>Then a student can take his work with him</li></ul> Underdevelop support for wiki farms? <ul class="bullet"><li>Want to make sure that what you want to do could be spread over 100 servers.<ul class="bullet"><li>Industry is going the other way</li></ul></li></ul> Federated wiki in a mobile world? <ul class="bullet"><li>On a tablet, wouldn't be doing much writing</li><li>Could we better support downloading a readable version of federated wiki?</li></ul> Federated wiki as a static site? <ul class="bullet"><li>If was reading on a tablet, could there be a "download this wiki site" onto the tablet?</li></ul> Archive.org does save fed.wiki.org <ul class="bullet"><li>Behavior is the same as when Javascript is turned off in browser</li></ul> Should subscribe to the key repos <ul class="bullet"><li>wiki-client</li><li>wiki-node</li></ul> There's a query to find who's writing where Look at issues in Github <ul class="bullet"><li>Maybe 40% gets done ... and 60% in the long term</li></ul> Original Smallest Federated Wiki had speculative issues <ul class="bullet"><li>More likely to get response, as more people follow that</li></ul> Otherwise, fixes are in the repos How to do put a plain HTML access URL into wiki? <ul class="bullet"><li>Follows wiki conventions with single and double square brackets</li><li>Crawler friendly?  Single page?  At the bottom of each page is a link to the page name, can use it for a friendly link address</li><li>If Javascript is turned on, then the multiple panes show up; otherwise it's a single pane</li></ul> Paul is working on CouchDB Embrace Docker?   <ul class="bullet"><li>Had that with Ruby version</li></ul> -- call ended -- Here's the transcript from the Google Hangout chat me 13:00 I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12</a> Paul Rodwell joined group chat. Ward Cunningham muted Per Johansson. me 13:09 I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12</a> Ward Cunningham 13:15 <a href="http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator">http://fed.wiki.org/view/metabolic-equivalent-of-task/view/metabolic-calculator</a> Original wiki was about creating a pattern literature of programming. Federated wiki is more a platform and that has slowed its growth. <a href="http://splash.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/splash-2014/view/federated-wiki-design-principles">http://splash.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/splash-2014/view/federated-wiki-design-principles</a> Journal for 2014 Stephan Wittwer joined group chat. Ward Cunningham 13:28 <a href="http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html">http://journal14.hapgood.net:3000/journal-for-2014.html</a> Stephan Wittwer left group chat. me 13:38 I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12</a> David Barbour joined group chat. Per Johansson left group chat. Per Johansson joined group chat. Ward Cunningham 13:46 <a href="http://ward.federatedwiki.org/own-a-space.html">http://ward.federatedwiki.org/own-a-space.html</a> Per Johansson 13:48 Good night all. Per Johansson left group chat. David Barbour 13:54 No mike, sorry. KS me 13:54 I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-12</a> Michael Phelps joined group chat. Michael Phelps left group chat. David Barbour 13:59 Speaking of archive, would it be possible to add a plain-HTML access URL? Ah, sorry. Meant for supporting crawl-friendly version of site. Ward Cunningham 14:01 <a href="http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html">http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html</a> David Barbour 14:02 <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/">https://web.archive.org/web/</a>*/<a href="http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html">http://code.fed.wiki.org/coding-portfolio.html</a> - nothing Bye Paul Rodwell left group chat. David Barbour left group chat. </body>