digest-2014-11-19

<body>Welcome to the Federated Wiki video chat on November 11, 2014<br><br>On today's call:<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Ward</li><li>Paul</li><li>Jack</li><li>David Bernstein</li><li>David (Ing)</li><li>Edmund (in Austria)</li><li>Nick (beside Ward)</li></ul>    <br>Docker?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Environment in staging and test will run in production</li><li>Doesn't run so well on Mac, it runs on Linux</li></ul><br>Saw someone loading vi into Docker<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Charm of having Unix underneath the application disappears if you don't have the basic tools</li></ul><br>Fosiki contributor, drifted away - Sven Dowideit<br><br>David related using a Nexus 5 phone, and uploads photos to Flickr, which gets published to Tumblr through buttons<br><br>Mike Caulfield gets excited using federated wiki, but can't transmit the excitement when teaching in class<br><br>May be shy on media types<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Could be nice to have photos directly to wiki</li><li>Firefox OS could be that way</li><li>Watching Android and iOS are about alliances</li><li>If you take a picture with an iPhone, and say share, these are the people you can share with</li><li>If you can get Apple's attention, you could get a button</li><li>Will federated wiki get big enough for attention?</li></ul><br>HTML5 - access to phone camera - <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6336641/html5-camera-access-through-browser-in-ios">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6336641/html5-camera-access-through-browser-in-ios</a><br><br>Ward got a Nexus 7<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Voice input</li></ul><br>Mobile first?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>If Ward were a better mobile developer, we would be farther along</li></ul><br>Hi-res photos?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Can't wait for upload</li></ul><br>Wordpress app will downsample photos, or send full resolution<br><br>Photographing what made a good day<br><br>Federated wiki compared to Google Wave<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Managing thoughts, bubbles linked</li><li>Work with arguments, bubbles and links</li></ul><br>If you were one person on an island, working in Smalltalk was great<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Could keep track, "Recent Changes" becoming the feed aspect (which doesn't work for Wikipedia, because it's too big)</li><li>Mike Caulfield and Ward are both trying to write every day</li><li>If you write every week, you wonder why federated wiki can't be more like Word; if you write every day, why can't Word be more like federated wiki</li></ul><br>Have seen software development change in the era of Git<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Telling a story about solving a problem</li></ul><br>Timeline in federated wiki?<br><br>Federated wiki as wiki for the Twitter generation<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Can put in a few paragraphs</li><li>The first paragraph is the defining characteristic of the page</li><li>What if you could put a "tweet" button at the bottom of a wiki page, so that it would cut down to 140 characters, and broadcast</li><li>Twitter becomes the Recent Changes</li><li>API key would be set up per user account</li><li>Could pop up a window, configure so if it's okay, it tweets</li></ul><br>Share buttons<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Integration with other services, as a theme for today's conversation</li></ul><br>Challenged in figuring out how to start writing on a wiki<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Preferred way is to start your own site</li><li>Barrier is high for people trying out</li></ul><br>Hosting service?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>There is a site called federatedwiki.org , who are friends of Mike Caulfield</li><li>Educationally-based</li><li>Ward is waiting for some business person to figure out the business model, he'll stay focused on the technology</li></ul><br>We need to get better help (documentation), which we haven't yet done ourselves<br><br>Ward and Nick were going to look at farm mode (and have a disagreement, that they'll get over)<br><br>Should have sites.fed.wiki.org on home page<br><ul class="bullet"><li>When first did it, had journal so that help would always be in the neighbourhood</li><li>But this turned out to be obnoxious, as would have where ever help would</li><li>Liked having things in neighbourhood, but then want to get rid of them, too</li><li>Made it one click away, have to click the help page, then it finds the page in the default pages</li><li>If navigate far enough in help, then will add some more sites</li><li>If dig into help, it all tends together</li><li>If push, closer, pushing pages onto people</li></ul><br>How to remove something from neighbourhood?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Make more wikis</li><li>Ward creates a lot of wikis</li></ul><br>Ward is writing every day, with Mike Caulfield, so it's a two-person chat group<br><br>How to create another wiki?<br><ul class="bullet"><li>Have to launch with farm</li><li>Have to set up domain name registrations with wildcards</li><li>Openshift version will support farm, need to configure that way with a *</li></ul><br>David:  I installed the Openshift version, and now I have to extend to be a farm?<br><br>-- Group chat transcript from Hangout --<br><br><br><strong>me</strong><br>13:00<br>I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-19">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-19</a><br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:00<br>Paul: node in docker; works ok with just docker<br>Ward: issues on Darwin; works great in Linux<br>DavidIng: how many ppl use tablet > 2 hours/week?<br>DavidIng: issue how to search neighborhood properly. Thinking about what would make ppl use FedWiki more.<br>DavidIng: one thing: use android tablet;<br>Edmund Humenberger joined group chat.<br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:12<br>DavidIng: behavior in tumblr is reblogging that occurs (tumbleblogs); are there things that should be in FedWiki (e.g. backlinks) -- what could be rethought?<br>Ward: thinking in terms of Mike Caulfield (education); experienced the "grief" associated with FW: found ways to "work it" -- finds new ways to "work it" - simple, powerful, not obvious -- hard to share that excitement.<br>Ward: three camps: those who "get it", those who just use it, those who've been burned by silly bugs or user traps.<br>Ward: that's the state of where we are, but try to eliminate third category (won't get them all).<br>Ward: short on media types, e.g. camera phone directly to wiki.<br>Ward: watching ios and android duke it out to own mobile; they're about associations with products -- probably FW won't be big enough to support all workflow on tablets.<br>Ward: world of consumer convenience<br>DavidIng: when I read, I save stuff to wordpress (a button).<br>DavidIng: wordpress as a "parking mechanism"<br>Ward: vision of FW: slide things around with your finger and talk to it.<br>Ward: like using Nexus 7 to take dictation.<br>DavidIng: read, hilite, press share button to wordpress. Wordpress configurable to set where that goes.<br>DavidIng: IBM strategy: mobile first (don't think of it as a mobile device)<br>Paul: stackoverflow on html -> photo<br><br><strong>Paul Rodwell</strong><br>13:21<br><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6336641/html5-camera-access-through-browser-in-ios">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6336641/html5-camera-access-through-browser-in-ios</a><br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:23<br>That's for IOS: what about 'droid? <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9431475/html5-camera-access">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9431475/html5-camera-access</a><br><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20898172/letting-html5-access-androids-camera">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20898172/letting-html5-access-androids-camera</a><br><br><strong>Ward Cunningham</strong><br>13:27<br>Cannon CAT<br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:31<br>Just found out about this: <a href="http://quickbrain.info/">http://quickbrain.info/</a><br><br><strong>Paul Rodwell</strong><br>13:31<br>there is a comment that it works on android<br><br><strong>Ward Cunningham</strong><br>13:32<br><a href="http://forage.ward.fed.wiki.org/new-wiki-now.html">http://forage.ward.fed.wiki.org/new-wiki-now.html</a><br><br><strong>me</strong><br>13:32<br>I've started an Etherpad at <a href="http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-19">http://pad.s2t.org/p/2014-11-19</a><br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:34<br>Ward: why can't word be like FW?<br>Edmund: I get responses from ppl I'm interested in on twitter<br>Edmund: twitter character limit is important for one thought; importance of timeline<br>Ward: like short paragraphs: FW for the twitter generation; can put series of tweets or paragraphs on FW longer page. First paragraph is defining paragraph for the page.<br>Ward: tell the story of the whole page in top paragraph.<br>Ward: put twitter button on page: takes first paragraph, formats it as tweet, and tweets it.<br>Ward: that encourages you to write a short paragraph!<br>One Topic Per Page!!!! In terms of topic mapping, that rocks <br>Ward: would like to see sharing buttons (not to drag your friends in, just share)<br>Edmund: barrier of entry too high: need "hosted FW" site<br><br><strong>Ward Cunningham</strong><br>13:44<br><a href="http://edmond.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html">http://edmond.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html</a><br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:45<br><a href="http://federatedwiki.org/view/welcome-visitors">http://federatedwiki.org/view/welcome-visitors</a><br>Ward: waiting for someone to figure out business model for hosting FW<br>See <a href="http://federatedwiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/get-a-wiki">http://federatedwiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/get-a-wiki</a>  to have your own wiki there<br>federatedwiki.org  does 10 minute backups here: <a href="https://github.com/reclaimhosting/federated-wiki">https://github.com/reclaimhosting/federated-wiki</a><br>Ward: don't support delete very well: intrinsically hard; can we live without it.<br>Edmond: never delete<br>Ward: issue of concentrating things that are important -- too much around makes things hard to find.<br>Ward: pretty careful about what I put up there now; make lots of different wikis, e.g. help.wiki.org<br>Ward: one page that gets you from having a need to having it done<br>Ward: Mike Caulfield is inventing this stuff all the time.<br>Ward: Mike brings blogging techniques to bear.<br><br><strong>Ward Cunningham</strong><br>13:57<br><a href="http://forage.ward.fed.wiki.org/active-journal.html">http://forage.ward.fed.wiki.org/active-journal.html</a><br><br><strong>Jack Park</strong><br>13:59<br>Ward: get a wiki going and join our "daily authors" and write every day<br>ward: launch wiki with -f "farm" setting to make hosts; must allow wildcards in domain registration.<br>Paul: node server uses "open shift" rather than *. for more domains in the "farm"<br><a href="https://www.openshift.com/">https://www.openshift.com/</a><br>OpenShift is a redhat platform<br>David Bernstein left group chat.<br>Jack Park left group chat.<br>Ward Cunningham left group chat.<br><br><strong>Edmund Humenberger</strong><br>14:09<br><a href="http://briefly.today/">http://briefly.today/</a><br><br></body>